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by Scott Wilson on May 11, 2009
There are few things more controversial in the world of IT HR than the H1B foreign-worker visa program. CIOs, as a rule, are fans; the ability to hire from an increasingly large pool of eager and well-educated foreign workers to fill domestic jobs helps ease the pay scale. Industry leaders as illustrious as Bill Gates have gone before Congress to testify in support of the program, which many consider as vital to staffing their companies competetively. American IT workers, on the other hand, view H1B participants as threats to their positions and as interlopers driving down their wages. Of late, the protectionist sentiment seems to be on the rise, not least in response to the belt-tightening that the recession has engendered on both the corporate and individual levels.
But if American IT workers feel that they are winning the battle to reclaim domestic technology jobs, they may be losing the war by inadvertently driving talent away from American tech companies and into foreign firms and startups, according to this Investors.com article.
The problem is an outgrowth of a larger one, which is the US education system as a whole. US citizens comprise less than half of the technology and engineering doctorates awarded in the US each year. Of the larger foreign contingent, many already plan to return home after graduation, taking their skills and expertise learned here along with them. The fewer opportunities for employment here, the more foreign graduates will be leaving. Just because they are out of the country, though, does not mean they are magically out of what is, after all, a global industry. If there is a phenomena that is near and dear to protectionist hearts after the H1B program, it is the growing trend toward offshoring. Many of the firms serving that trend are well-staffed with American-educated students.
The Investor.com article cites concerns over competetiveness and attempts to tie them to H1B caps and restraints. Dissenters might point out that the companies which are providing these numbers have every incentive to lay their problems at the feet of employees who are demanding higher wages rather than pay up; such has been a historic reaction to any sort of worker or wage protection efforts. On the other hand, it's difficult not to see the very real effects of globalization as they have effected other industries, and to imagine they would not apply to technology would be disingenous. If anything, the tech sector is even more vulnerable to the phenomena than the manufacturing and service sectors.
The choice for American workers may be between low wages resulting from a competetive domestic job market, or fewer domestic positions entirely as the business moves inexorably to countries which can provide it more efficiently.
But if American IT workers feel that they are winning the battle to reclaim domestic technology jobs, they may be losing the war by inadvertently driving talent away from American tech companies and into foreign firms and startups, according to this Investors.com article.
The problem is an outgrowth of a larger one, which is the US education system as a whole. US citizens comprise less than half of the technology and engineering doctorates awarded in the US each year. Of the larger foreign contingent, many already plan to return home after graduation, taking their skills and expertise learned here along with them. The fewer opportunities for employment here, the more foreign graduates will be leaving. Just because they are out of the country, though, does not mean they are magically out of what is, after all, a global industry. If there is a phenomena that is near and dear to protectionist hearts after the H1B program, it is the growing trend toward offshoring. Many of the firms serving that trend are well-staffed with American-educated students.
The Investor.com article cites concerns over competetiveness and attempts to tie them to H1B caps and restraints. Dissenters might point out that the companies which are providing these numbers have every incentive to lay their problems at the feet of employees who are demanding higher wages rather than pay up; such has been a historic reaction to any sort of worker or wage protection efforts. On the other hand, it's difficult not to see the very real effects of globalization as they have effected other industries, and to imagine they would not apply to technology would be disingenous. If anything, the tech sector is even more vulnerable to the phenomena than the manufacturing and service sectors.
The choice for American workers may be between low wages resulting from a competetive domestic job market, or fewer domestic positions entirely as the business moves inexorably to countries which can provide it more efficiently.
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Response from:
JL
(05/11/09 8:36am)
That was easy; Just increase the salaries. If you do that I sure you will get a lot more US citizens acquiring doctorates in engineering.
Response from:
Scott Wilson
(05/11/09 8:52am)
You're assuming that the financial motive would somehow make up for years of deteriorating basic math and science education, which is an uncertain prospect at best. And, perhaps I should have articulated this better instead of having left it as an exercise for the reader, but higher salaries inexorably lead to higher costs to provide the services, which are exactly what drive companies toward off-shoring solutions in the first place. It does nothing to address the competetiveness problem.
Response from:
Margaret
(05/11/09 12:49pm)
The H-1b program ILLEGALLY discriminates against US Citizens.
> Age Discrimination in Employment Act, 29 U.S.C. §623 et seq.,
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/29
note: Age is Chapter 14
> Discrimination based on national origin=USA, race and sex under 42 U.S.C. § 2000e et seq.,
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/usc_sup_01_42_10_21_20_VI.html
Discrimination Is Occurring On A Massive Scale Against Qualified US Citizens.
The Middle Class Has Been Destroyed.
Families Have Been Torn Apart.
The EEOC, the OFCCP, the DOJ-OSC Have Done Next To Nothing To Protect US Citizens Whose National Origin Is USA.
Immigration Law Firms Are Harming American Workers.
The H-1B Visa guest worker program has RESERVED millions of high-value jobs for citizens of foreign countries.
"Fake Job Ads consistently and routinely DENY, DEPRIVE, EXCLUDE and DISCRIMINATE against United States Citizens during the hiring process.
Here is Cohen & Grigsby, a prominent immigration law firm, displaying their Good Faith Efforts To Recruit American Workers...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
When companies have job opening, they "place an order" with job descriptions to third party recruiters like ManPower, Volt, Adecco, Robert Half, etc.
The job descriptions are not advertised publicly so that qualified US Citizens can apply.
This is a violation of EEO, the law of the land and the Civil Rights Act of 1967's "Unlawful Employment Practices'.
The available talent pool in the US workforce is being COMPLETELY BYPASSED
(and not just under-utilized).
Only mom & pop recruiting firms willing to $ub$cribe to the large third party firms services can see the job descriptions and then submit resumes from H-1bs
Resume Blaster Streams $ubScribe to their service
also a violation of EEO segregating resumes by National Origin.
Out in the field, we are not seeing the job descriptions and
the most meritorious candidates are not receiving any job offers.
US Citizens and Green Card Holders never know the job openings even existed.
This is exclusion / discrimination.
> Age Discrimination in Employment Act, 29 U.S.C. §623 et seq.,
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/29
note: Age is Chapter 14
> Discrimination based on national origin=USA, race and sex under 42 U.S.C. § 2000e et seq.,
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/usc_sup_01_42_10_21_20_VI.html
Discrimination Is Occurring On A Massive Scale Against Qualified US Citizens.
The Middle Class Has Been Destroyed.
Families Have Been Torn Apart.
The EEOC, the OFCCP, the DOJ-OSC Have Done Next To Nothing To Protect US Citizens Whose National Origin Is USA.
Immigration Law Firms Are Harming American Workers.
The H-1B Visa guest worker program has RESERVED millions of high-value jobs for citizens of foreign countries.
"Fake Job Ads consistently and routinely DENY, DEPRIVE, EXCLUDE and DISCRIMINATE against United States Citizens during the hiring process.
Here is Cohen & Grigsby, a prominent immigration law firm, displaying their Good Faith Efforts To Recruit American Workers...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
When companies have job opening, they "place an order" with job descriptions to third party recruiters like ManPower, Volt, Adecco, Robert Half, etc.
The job descriptions are not advertised publicly so that qualified US Citizens can apply.
This is a violation of EEO, the law of the land and the Civil Rights Act of 1967's "Unlawful Employment Practices'.
The available talent pool in the US workforce is being COMPLETELY BYPASSED
(and not just under-utilized).
Only mom & pop recruiting firms willing to $ub$cribe to the large third party firms services can see the job descriptions and then submit resumes from H-1bs
Resume Blaster Streams $ubScribe to their service
also a violation of EEO segregating resumes by National Origin.
Out in the field, we are not seeing the job descriptions and
the most meritorious candidates are not receiving any job offers.
US Citizens and Green Card Holders never know the job openings even existed.
This is exclusion / discrimination.
Response from:
jgo
(05/11/09 2:36pm)
We still have hundreds of thousands of unemployed and underemployed US citizens who are quite capable of handling math and science, including hundreds of thousands of US citizen students. As a matter of fact, we've been graduating far more capable US citizens in STEM fields than can be accounted for by lagging employment... until one considers the intentional flood of cheap, pliant foreign students (F), interns (OPT), guest-workers (E-3, H-1B, J, L) that NSF knew would both drive down compensation and opportunity for US citizens and create incentives for them to NOT waste money on grad school.
http://www.kermitrose.com/econSummaryAnalysis.html#Media
http://www.kermitrose.com/econSummaryAnalysis.html#Media
Response from:
Scott Wilson
(05/11/09 2:57pm)
I can always count on this topic to bring 'em out of the woodwork.
Aside from the canned diatribes against H1B workers, however, does anyone care to respond to the core idea that perhaps it might be better for American industry and the economy to keep them close than to drive them back off-shore to build and staff low-priced offshoring firms which will themselves undercut American companies?
If not, then how do you propose to prevent that scenario? Or does it matter in the final analysis, if offshoring will inevitably come to dominate American technology providers?
Aside from the canned diatribes against H1B workers, however, does anyone care to respond to the core idea that perhaps it might be better for American industry and the economy to keep them close than to drive them back off-shore to build and staff low-priced offshoring firms which will themselves undercut American companies?
If not, then how do you propose to prevent that scenario? Or does it matter in the final analysis, if offshoring will inevitably come to dominate American technology providers?
Response from:
weaver
(05/17/09 1:31pm)
Scott,
First, your educational argument is mute, 75% of 2006 of all bachelor degreed H-1Bs went to computer-related occupations. Moreover, Harvard hires foreign postdoctorate fellows at $35K-45K, Americans cannot compete w 8yrs of college debt. (How about providing stats on how many 4.0 American students are denied seats in postgraduate programs.)
Moreover, the EB PERM program is large enough to naturalize every foreign postgraduate in S&T, the backlog PERM backlog consists of H-1B undergrads (EB-3).
Second, IBM is 90% federally funded (1.3B of 1.4B), if they prefer to use 70% foreign labor, their preferred provider status/marketshare can be reduced accordingly.
Third, is inflation, developing nations (NASSCOM) are buying marketshare with tax-holidays, currency manipulation and labor arbitrage. Additinally, India/China have an identical corruption rate as Mexico. These "savings" are unsustainable as marketshare comes under the control of corrupt governments and infrastructure is required to support operations.
Don't underestimate to corrupation factor, I worked on a maquilador project that failed because of corruption. Inflation adn corruption abroad is the American workers best friend.
Fourth and finally, the free movement of human capital causes equity imbalances in the housing markets. Housing appreciation was once assumed to be a sure bet, economists incorrectly assumed that housing was a never-ending source of new capital. Gain assumptions from immigration is also faulty assumption. In this flat employment growth economy, each high-skill immigrant represents a housing foreclosure. Additionally, multiple immigrants are required to maintain the tax base when immigration is used for wage arbitrage against an American stakeholder.
Here's a solution, if it isn't too late.
http://immigration-weaver.blogspot.com/2009/03/petition-to-remove-comp
uter-related.html
First, your educational argument is mute, 75% of 2006 of all bachelor degreed H-1Bs went to computer-related occupations. Moreover, Harvard hires foreign postdoctorate fellows at $35K-45K, Americans cannot compete w 8yrs of college debt. (How about providing stats on how many 4.0 American students are denied seats in postgraduate programs.)
Moreover, the EB PERM program is large enough to naturalize every foreign postgraduate in S&T, the backlog PERM backlog consists of H-1B undergrads (EB-3).
Second, IBM is 90% federally funded (1.3B of 1.4B), if they prefer to use 70% foreign labor, their preferred provider status/marketshare can be reduced accordingly.
Third, is inflation, developing nations (NASSCOM) are buying marketshare with tax-holidays, currency manipulation and labor arbitrage. Additinally, India/China have an identical corruption rate as Mexico. These "savings" are unsustainable as marketshare comes under the control of corrupt governments and infrastructure is required to support operations.
Don't underestimate to corrupation factor, I worked on a maquilador project that failed because of corruption. Inflation adn corruption abroad is the American workers best friend.
Fourth and finally, the free movement of human capital causes equity imbalances in the housing markets. Housing appreciation was once assumed to be a sure bet, economists incorrectly assumed that housing was a never-ending source of new capital. Gain assumptions from immigration is also faulty assumption. In this flat employment growth economy, each high-skill immigrant represents a housing foreclosure. Additionally, multiple immigrants are required to maintain the tax base when immigration is used for wage arbitrage against an American stakeholder.
Here's a solution, if it isn't too late.
http://immigration-weaver.blogspot.com/2009/03/petition-to-remove-comp
uter-related.html
Response from:
Scott Wilson
(05/17/09 6:54pm)
Hi Weaver,
THANK YOU for stepping up with some facts and figures.
I'm not clear on how they moot the education argument, however; I think what you are trying to say is, if science education in general is so poor, why are 75% of H1Bs computer related and not more broadly representative? But I can think of any number of reasons for that that has more to do with market demands than science education, so I don't think you've hit home there. I, too, would be curious about the postgrad admission rate, but again, if we're talking about a weak education SYSTEM the grade value is meaningless. I've seen some curricula for modern math classes recently and a 4.0 coming out of that wouldn't impress me much.
It seems to me I've heard that IBM argument before and it's just funny play with numbers if I recall correctly; the same sort of thing that people use to "prove" that the US is actually run by the United Nations, black helicopters, etc, etc.
I think the roots of your argument against my main point are inflation and corruption; but if those represent the bulwarks of the defense American workers have against domestically educated foreigners returning home and bootstrapping themselves in the absence of a vigorous H1B program, I think you're staking your hopes in some shaky soil. Because as significant as those factors may be, the thing that changes them IS education. If those workers are absorbing all the values that prevent the US from falling into similar disarray (I am going to assume you would not make some racial argument to the contrary) then inevitably those values will come to infiltrate those societies as well; they are simply more conducive to getting things done in a sustainable way. Ideas are far more dangerous than people, but people are the carriers, aren't they? Sending evangelists overseas with the core ideas that has allowed our pre-eminence in the technology world thus far seems a dangerous defense against long-term irrelevancy in my mind.
I'm doing a bit of devil's advocacy here, but I won't pretend the whole situation doesn't concern me. I think there are enough challenges coming soon toward the tech worker without adding any more.
THANK YOU for stepping up with some facts and figures.
I'm not clear on how they moot the education argument, however; I think what you are trying to say is, if science education in general is so poor, why are 75% of H1Bs computer related and not more broadly representative? But I can think of any number of reasons for that that has more to do with market demands than science education, so I don't think you've hit home there. I, too, would be curious about the postgrad admission rate, but again, if we're talking about a weak education SYSTEM the grade value is meaningless. I've seen some curricula for modern math classes recently and a 4.0 coming out of that wouldn't impress me much.
It seems to me I've heard that IBM argument before and it's just funny play with numbers if I recall correctly; the same sort of thing that people use to "prove" that the US is actually run by the United Nations, black helicopters, etc, etc.
I think the roots of your argument against my main point are inflation and corruption; but if those represent the bulwarks of the defense American workers have against domestically educated foreigners returning home and bootstrapping themselves in the absence of a vigorous H1B program, I think you're staking your hopes in some shaky soil. Because as significant as those factors may be, the thing that changes them IS education. If those workers are absorbing all the values that prevent the US from falling into similar disarray (I am going to assume you would not make some racial argument to the contrary) then inevitably those values will come to infiltrate those societies as well; they are simply more conducive to getting things done in a sustainable way. Ideas are far more dangerous than people, but people are the carriers, aren't they? Sending evangelists overseas with the core ideas that has allowed our pre-eminence in the technology world thus far seems a dangerous defense against long-term irrelevancy in my mind.
I'm doing a bit of devil's advocacy here, but I won't pretend the whole situation doesn't concern me. I think there are enough challenges coming soon toward the tech worker without adding any more.
Response from:
B
(05/18/09 5:56pm)
I think americans would be very surprised how many of their "best and brightest" businessmen, politicians, actors, athletes, teachers, professors (even nascar drivers) started out on an H1B visa.
Response from:
weaver
(05/21/09 12:02pm)
Scott Wilson wrote:
"US citizens comprise less than half of the technology and engineering doctorates awarded in the US each year."
From the NSF for 2006:
All S&E Doctorates:
Science and engineering: = 29,854
Non-U.S. citizen with temporary visa
Science and engineering: = 11,522 (38.59%)
Non-U.S. citizen with permanent visa
Science and engineering: 1,253 (4.19%)
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf09311/pdf/tab3.pdf
According to the NSF, the "less than half" assumption is false.
For Master's degrees, the S&E U.S. citizen and perm resident total was 83,043, of 118,379 Master's degrees (70.15%). For all Master's degrees, 481,135 of the total 555,537 is 86.6%
(2004 data is the latest available.)
Non-resident alien Master's degrees in S&E was 35,336 (29.84%).
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf07308/pdf/tab7.pdf
The Employment based PERM visa is an entrance visa. In the EB-1 preference category, there are 40,000 visas available every year. There are another 40,000 visas in the EB-2 and EB-3 preference categories respectively.
So how does 11,522 Ph.D. awards per year even remotely justify (or relate to) the H-1B program, which only requires the equivalent to a bachelors degree? The bachelors degree is not an indication of the brightest and best, nor an indication of the possession of specialized knowledge.
In Scott's response to my comment, he's alluded to a substandard K-16 U.S. educational system. Is there some assumption that the U.S. postgraduate system is somehow not also substandard? If so, what determines this departure from substandard? Does this indicate that 1.5 million undergrads (NCES data), degreed per year should abandon American colleges for cheaper and better education abroad?
Isn't the curriculum for K-16 education determined by the colleges?
Finally, what does removing IBM preferred vendor status have to do with black helicopters?
IBM suspended from new US gov't business - InfoWorld
http://www.infoworld.com/news/feeds/08/04/01/IBM-suspended-from-new-US
-govt-business.html
"US citizens comprise less than half of the technology and engineering doctorates awarded in the US each year."
From the NSF for 2006:
All S&E Doctorates:
Science and engineering: = 29,854
Non-U.S. citizen with temporary visa
Science and engineering: = 11,522 (38.59%)
Non-U.S. citizen with permanent visa
Science and engineering: 1,253 (4.19%)
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf09311/pdf/tab3.pdf
According to the NSF, the "less than half" assumption is false.
For Master's degrees, the S&E U.S. citizen and perm resident total was 83,043, of 118,379 Master's degrees (70.15%). For all Master's degrees, 481,135 of the total 555,537 is 86.6%
(2004 data is the latest available.)
Non-resident alien Master's degrees in S&E was 35,336 (29.84%).
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf07308/pdf/tab7.pdf
The Employment based PERM visa is an entrance visa. In the EB-1 preference category, there are 40,000 visas available every year. There are another 40,000 visas in the EB-2 and EB-3 preference categories respectively.
So how does 11,522 Ph.D. awards per year even remotely justify (or relate to) the H-1B program, which only requires the equivalent to a bachelors degree? The bachelors degree is not an indication of the brightest and best, nor an indication of the possession of specialized knowledge.
In Scott's response to my comment, he's alluded to a substandard K-16 U.S. educational system. Is there some assumption that the U.S. postgraduate system is somehow not also substandard? If so, what determines this departure from substandard? Does this indicate that 1.5 million undergrads (NCES data), degreed per year should abandon American colleges for cheaper and better education abroad?
Isn't the curriculum for K-16 education determined by the colleges?
Finally, what does removing IBM preferred vendor status have to do with black helicopters?
IBM suspended from new US gov't business - InfoWorld
http://www.infoworld.com/news/feeds/08/04/01/IBM-suspended-from-new-US
-govt-business.html
Response from:
weaver
(05/21/09 12:08pm)
Protectionism is a perfectly valid economic response to monolopism.
Response from:
Scott Wilson
(05/21/09 12:56pm)
The question isn't even whether it's valid or not; it's whether or not it's effective.
I suspect you're getting different numbers on graduations because you are looking at "science and engineering" rather than "technology and engineering" which is what I actually said; but having said that, I take those calculations at face value from the Investors article, I didn't validate them personally. The difference is that hard, or pure, science degrees do not contribute on the same scale to the employment pool. You're including a lot of citizens in your numbers who would never actually be candidates for those positions.
You're setting up a straw man with regard to the postgraduate education system; whether or not it's the best in the world, clearly a lot of employers and potential employees believe that it is, or you wouldn't see the influx of foreign students in the first place. And if you have listened or talked to any college professors, particularly in the technology or engineering fields, you'd know that colleges have nothing to do with setting K-12 curriculum in the US; many are alarmed at the state of math and science knowledge that US graduates come to them with.
The "black helicopters" comment was regarding your statement that "IBM is 90% federally funded" which it certainly is not, unless perhaps you're using some of the "new math" that I have been decrying. Disclosure: I own some IBM stock. On the other hand, because I own some IBM stock, I also happen to know their revenues are a heck of a lot better than the $1.4B you cited. Your link doesn't work, btw; searching the phrase comes back with an eWeek article citing an EPA-related suspension... nothing to do with employment protections at all.
I suspect you're getting different numbers on graduations because you are looking at "science and engineering" rather than "technology and engineering" which is what I actually said; but having said that, I take those calculations at face value from the Investors article, I didn't validate them personally. The difference is that hard, or pure, science degrees do not contribute on the same scale to the employment pool. You're including a lot of citizens in your numbers who would never actually be candidates for those positions.
You're setting up a straw man with regard to the postgraduate education system; whether or not it's the best in the world, clearly a lot of employers and potential employees believe that it is, or you wouldn't see the influx of foreign students in the first place. And if you have listened or talked to any college professors, particularly in the technology or engineering fields, you'd know that colleges have nothing to do with setting K-12 curriculum in the US; many are alarmed at the state of math and science knowledge that US graduates come to them with.
The "black helicopters" comment was regarding your statement that "IBM is 90% federally funded" which it certainly is not, unless perhaps you're using some of the "new math" that I have been decrying. Disclosure: I own some IBM stock. On the other hand, because I own some IBM stock, I also happen to know their revenues are a heck of a lot better than the $1.4B you cited. Your link doesn't work, btw; searching the phrase comes back with an eWeek article citing an EPA-related suspension... nothing to do with employment protections at all.
Response from:
Bobby
(05/26/09 6:43am)
The article has a point.
In top schools such as MIT and Stanford half of the PhD students are from Asia. And almost all of these students are funded either by American taxpayers (through federal grants from NSF, DOD, NASA etc.) or American businesses (Microsoft, Intel, Boeing, Exxonmobil etc.)
So when we kick out these bright folks, not only we loose on our investment but we also give China/India a significant competitive advantage.
Also if we make it harder for businesses to hire and keep these people here then they will simply move them to other countries.
Already the majority of IBMs workforce is in India.
In top schools such as MIT and Stanford half of the PhD students are from Asia. And almost all of these students are funded either by American taxpayers (through federal grants from NSF, DOD, NASA etc.) or American businesses (Microsoft, Intel, Boeing, Exxonmobil etc.)
So when we kick out these bright folks, not only we loose on our investment but we also give China/India a significant competitive advantage.
Also if we make it harder for businesses to hire and keep these people here then they will simply move them to other countries.
Already the majority of IBMs workforce is in India.
Response from:
dyuken
(09/15/09 1:30am)
I have heard both sides of this argument and must admit that each one has merit. From the corporate side of things, I know that keeping costs down is key. However, I ask this question, if your CIO's are so concerned about keeping costs down then why not contribute some of your salaries to the saving pot? I mean, most CIO's make considerably more than your average IT worker. Because this is a capitalist society though, I don't count on that happening. As a matter of fact cutting costs in most cases keeps CIOs employed at the very least and add to their bonuses in the best cases,so why wouldn't you want costs kept down, no matter what form cost cutting takes.
As for the worker, We all want to make more money. I just got laid off from Chrysler in March, and I talk to people still there. These people have the nerve to try to ask me work related questions. While I empathize with them, I can't provide information for which I am not paid.
Also, I can see how the workers find themselves in a quandry when you CIOs have the nerve to ask them to train there replacements.
I think the real problem is Greed. It seems that none of the CIOs or Corporate Leadership as a whole have heard of the concept of Dimensioning Marginal returns.
Finally, I would like to ask, if no one is working here in a America, who is going to buy the products these companies are producing? The Chinese? who? Americans are still the worlds number one consumers.
As for the worker, We all want to make more money. I just got laid off from Chrysler in March, and I talk to people still there. These people have the nerve to try to ask me work related questions. While I empathize with them, I can't provide information for which I am not paid.
Also, I can see how the workers find themselves in a quandry when you CIOs have the nerve to ask them to train there replacements.
I think the real problem is Greed. It seems that none of the CIOs or Corporate Leadership as a whole have heard of the concept of Dimensioning Marginal returns.
Finally, I would like to ask, if no one is working here in a America, who is going to buy the products these companies are producing? The Chinese? who? Americans are still the worlds number one consumers.
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